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Post by gsro on Nov 14, 2009 11:07:36 GMT -5
Okay,
So I locked this in at 205U, and then it went off line...honestly, from the offline discussions Nawlins and a bit of thinking I really thought this would re-open anywhere between 189 to 194...CP3 is what generates this offense for the Hornets..David West, with CP3, looks like a star, but tell me what kind of power forward averages about 5 6 rebounds a game and I think 1 block a game? CP3 makes West look better than he really is (sorry hornet fans)..now the line is back out and it re-opened at 200.5..what this is sorta telling me is that with CP3's offense and defense combined he is only worth 4.5 points....honestyl, CP3 is what makes this offense, not sure who is going to step up here for the Hornets, and Atlanta should be tired from that big game last night...Just wanted some discussion, let's hear it =)....oh yah, if you don't know I'm mainly a pucks guy....so again, I could be way off
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Post by gsro on Nov 14, 2009 11:08:35 GMT -5
I guess, main thing is...why did it open so high..i'm confused in a sense
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Post by jpicks on Nov 14, 2009 12:35:59 GMT -5
It opened so high because the Hawks have been running like crazy this year. 225 against Denver and 218 against Sacramento on back to backs so far this year. Horents have gone under 2 of 3 on b2b's so far this year. While CP3 may be a huge part of facilitating the offense there is just a ton of uncertainty there right now with the new coach and now new PG. I think the Hornets will miss CP3 on D as much as they will running the offense. Look at the Jazz from last night. Who would have thought a rookie PG could come in and fill Dwill's shoes so easily? Just think it might be a better idea to wait and see what happens rather than pouncing on the under. I've got no argument against the Hawks side though. GL
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Post by baw on Nov 14, 2009 12:44:59 GMT -5
I hammered that 205 last night and would do the same at 200 honestly. I understand Jpicks comparison with the jazz game last night but the Jazz have players who can play offense. The Hornets, not so much. Look at every 2nd qtr when Chris goes to the bench how bad they struggle. The guy(wihtout looking at stats) accounts for at least half their points every game. They are going to struggle. Meanwhile, the Hawks off a win against their "big brother" may be a bit flat.
The total was set correctly, maybe a few points too low but Paul is defionitely worth more points than that.
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Post by gsro on Nov 14, 2009 13:11:53 GMT -5
JPicks - I see what you're saying and agree to a certain extent, but the Utah offense, does not heavily rely on Deron to create, as much as the Hornets do with CP3..Pretty much, this team was built around him and now that he's gone what do they have? Rookie PG coming in tonight right? Just think CP3 is worht more than 4.5 points to a team that heavily relies on him...OKC needs to go after this guy..Durant + CP3
Bar: Was on the Under 205 myself, i'm not looking to add units on the 200.5, which is now 199.5...however I may wait till people pound this low enough
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Post by jpicks on Nov 14, 2009 14:04:51 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree that Deron hasn't been the main focus of the Utah offense.
Jazz average 98 points a game. Williams avgs. 20 and 10 so 40 points of those 98. We'll call him 40% of the Utah offense.
Hornets average 90 points a game prior to CP3 getting hurt. Paul avgs. 24 and 9 so 42 of those 90. He's 46% of the offense.
They're obviously both a huge part of the teams offense but CP3 is indeed about 3 (3.5) points (per 100) more important than Dwill. No other play including Nash has a higher % or even close than either of those guys. Just think that when you lose somebody like Paul other guys step up. Never know what Collins pace may be as well. Can't recall seeing Collins play other than at UCLA. The other important thing that is forgotten is that Paul is a 1st Team NBA player. Bibby isn't likely going to have nearly as many problems with Collins guarding him.
Certainly not on the over so I'll be cheering for ya. Just like to throw out the other side of a bet. GL
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Post by phatprep3 on Nov 14, 2009 14:57:34 GMT -5
last year CP3 was 51.3 percent of New Orleans offense the 3rd highest percentage in NBA history
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Post by gsro on Nov 14, 2009 15:04:54 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree that Deron hasn't been the main focus of the Utah offense. Jazz average 98 points a game. Williams avgs. 20 and 10 so 40 points of those 98. We'll call him 40% of the Utah offense. Hornets average 90 points a game prior to CP3 getting hurt. Paul avgs. 24 and 9 so 42 of those 90. He's 46% of the offense. They're obviously both a huge part of the teams offense but CP3 is indeed about 3 (3.5) points (per 100) more important than Dwill. No other play including Nash has a higher % or even close than either of those guys. Just think that when you lose somebody like Paul other guys step up. Never know what Collins pace may be as well. Can't recall seeing Collins play other than at UCLA. The other important thing that is forgotten is that Paul is a 1st Team NBA player. Bibby isn't likely going to have nearly as many problems with Collins guarding him. Certainly not on the over so I'll be cheering for ya. Just like to throw out the other side of a bet. GL :cheers: don't mind a discussion and If i'm wrong i'm wrong.. I guess my whole thing is, Paul is more than 4.5 points important to his team Have a good day today JPicks |
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Post by phatprep3 on Nov 14, 2009 15:11:53 GMT -5
JP don't you think Maynor is a far more suitable and productive back up than Collison?
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